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Господа, у кого есть данные по взятию Картахены Дрейком? Где про это можно почитать?

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данные по взятию Картахены Дрейком?



Есть в English Seamen under the Tudors (1868)

Then Drake put to sea again and proceeded to Car
tagena, the best fortified place on the Spanish Main.
There the same course was pursued as at San Domingo,
though with somewhat tougher fighting and with some
what greater gain in money. Drake boldly entered
the harbour which he had not been afraid to skirt,
when a mere pirate, twelve years before. Carlisle and
the troops being landed at midnight, three miles away
from the town, pressed up to its walls, to find that
Drake and the fleet, approaching by sea, had already
done half of the fighting. Great wine butts, filled with
earth, had been used for a barricade. " Notwithstand
ing it was well furnished with pikes and shot," says one
of the soldiers, "the assault was, without staying, at
tempted by us. Down went the butts of earth, and
pell-mell came our swords and pikes together after our
shot had first given their volley, even at the enemy s
nose. Our pikes were somewhat longer than theirs,
and our bodies better armed, with which advantage our
swords and pikes grew too hard for them, and they
were driven to give place. In this furious entry the

Lieutenant-General slew with his own hands the chief
ensign-bearer of the Spaniards, who fought very man
fully to his life s end." That was at the gates; and
the fighting was stoutly maintained at every street
corner and up to the market-place. The Spaniards,
braver than at San Domingo, were also much helped by
some Indian archers, " with their arrows most villain
ously empoisoned, so that, if they did but break the
skin, the party touched, unless it were by great marvel,
died." Many Englishmen, too, " were mischieved to
death by small sticks, sharply pointed, of a foot and a
half long, fixed in the ground, with the points poisoned,
right in the way from the place where they landed to
the town," which produced all the more harm because
the attack was made in the dark.

Cartagena was in the hands of the English at day
break, and they held it for six weeks. Much pillage
ensued; but Drake, respecting the bravery of his
enemies, treated them honourably. " There passed
divers courtesies between us and the Spaniards," it is
said, " as feasting and using them with all kindness and
favour." The feasting, of course, was with Spanish
dainties. In the end, on receipt of about 28,OOOZ. as
ransom, less than a third of the sum he had originally
asked for, Drake restored the shattered town to its
inhabitants.

To that moderation he was chiefly induced by the
illness that had afflicted his people ever since their
departure from Cape de Verde. The crews were much
reduced, and of the fighting men only eight hundred
and fifty remained, a hundred and fifty of those being
too weak for any active service. Drake and his officers,
after much consultation and with many regrets, resolved
that it would be best not only to leave Cartagena with
smaller ransom than they expected, but also to give up
their plan of despoiling Nombre de Dios, and if possible,
even crossing the Isthmus of Darien and attacking
Panama.

Leaving Cartagena on the 31st of March 1586



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Delays and tempestuous head winds induced
Drake to let intermediate points alone and make
straight for Cartagena on the South American main-
land. Cartagena had been warned and was on the
alert. It was strong by both nature and art. The
garrison was good of its kind, though the Spaniards'
custom of fighting in quilted jackets instead of
armor put them at a disadvantage. This custom
was due to the heat and to the fact that the jackets
were proof against the native arrows.

There was an outer and an inner harbor, with
such an intricate and well-defended passage that
no one thought Drake would dare go in. But he
did. Frobisher had failed to catch a pilot. But
Drake did the trick without one, to the utter dis-
may of the Spaniards. After some more very
clever manoeuvres, to distract the enemy's atten-
tion from the real point of attack, Carleill and the
soldiers landed under cover of the dark and came
upon the town where they were least expected,
by wading waist-deep through the water just out
of sight of the Spanish gunners. The entrench-
ments did not bar the way in this unexpected
quarter. But wine casks full of rammed earth had
been hurriedly piled there in case the mad English
should make the attempt. Carleill gave the signal.
Goring's musketeers sprang forward and fired into
the Spaniards' faces. Then Sampson's pikemen
charged through and a desperate hand-to-hand
fight ensued. Finally the Spaniards broke after
Carleill had killed their standard-bearer and Gor-
ing had wounded and taken their commander.
The enemies ran pell-mell through the town to-
gether till the English reformed in the Plaza.
Next day Drake moved in to attack the harbor
fort; whereupon it was abandoned and the whole
place fell.

But again there was a dearth of booty. The
Spaniards were getting shy of keeping too many
valuables where they could be taken. So negoti-
ations, emphasized by piecemeal destruction, went
on till sickness and the lateness of the season put
the English in a sorry fix. The sack of the city
had yielded much less than that of San Domingo;
and the men, who were all volunteers, to be paid
out of plunder, began to grumble at their ill-success.
Many had been wounded, several killed big,
faithful Tom Moone among them. A hundred
died. More were ill. Two councils of war were
held, one naval, the other military. The military
officers agreed to give up all their own shares to
the men. But the naval officers, who were poorer
and who were also responsible for the expenses of
their vessels, could not concur. Finally 110,000
ducats (equivalent in purchasing power to nearly
three millions of dollars) were accepted.

It was now impossible to complete the pro-
gramme or even to take Havana, in view of the
renewed sickness, the losses, and the advance of
the season. A further disappointment was ex-
perienced when Drake just missed the treasure
fleet by only half a day, though through no fault
of his own. Then, with constantly diminishing
numbers of effective men, the course was shaped
for the Spanish 'plantation' of St. Augustine in
Florida. This place was utterly destroyed and
some guns and money were taken from it. Then
the fleet stood north again till, on the 9th of June,
it found Raleigh's colony of Roanoke.

Ralph Lane, the governor, was in his fort on the
island ready to brave it out. Drake offered a free
passage home to all the colonists. But Lane pre-
ferred staying and going on with his surveys and
* plantation.' Drake then filled up a store ship to
leave behind with Lane. But a terrific three-dav
storm wrecked the store ship and damped the
colonists' enthusiasm so much that they persuaded
Lane to change his mind. The colonists embarked
and the fleet then bore away for home. Though
balked of much it had expected in the way of
booty, reduced in strength by losses, and therefore
unable to garrison any strategic point which would
threaten the life of New Spain, its purely naval
work was a true and glorious success. When he
arrived at Plymouth, Drake wrote immediately to
Burleigh: 'My very good Lord, there is now a very
great, gap opened, very little to the liking of the
King of Spain. '


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The expedition then stood over to the main, and kept
along the coast till they came in sight of Carthagena. That
city, which was then the principal fortress in all that country,
and contained about 450 families, was built upon a sandy
peninsula, formed by the sea on one side, and on the other
by a great lake, which communicates with the harbour. The
mouth of the harbour lay some three miles westward of the
town, and the fleet entered, about three in the afternoon,
without any resistance, or meeting with any impediment. In
the evening, Carleill landed, toward the harbour mouth ; the
plan being that the land forces should advance about mid-
night, " as easily as foot might fall," along the sea-wash of
the shore, while the fleet drew the attention of the Spaniards
by a false attack upon a little fort at the entrance of the
inner haven. When the troops were within two miles of the
town, some hundred hoi-semen fell in with them ; but the
ground being bushy, even to the water-side, was unfavourable
for these enemies, and upon the first volley they turned about,
and hastened back to give the alarm. At the same time the
English heard a firing in the harbour, where, if anything
more than a feint was intended, nothing was done : the place
was strong, and a chain drawn across the narrow entrance ;
but little or no harm was received. The troops, meantime,
advanced till they came to the neck of the peninsula, about
half a mile from the town. The strait was about fifty paces
over ; " fortified clean across with a stone wall, well and
orderly built, with flanking in every part, and a ditch ".
There was only so much space left as might serve for ordin-
ary passage ; but this opening was now fortified with a good
barricade of barrels " filled with earth, full and thick, as they
might stand on end one by another ; some part of them
standing even in the main sea. This place of strength was
furnished with six great pieces, demi-culverins and rakers,
which shot directly in front upon the assailants ; and without
the wall, on the inner side of the strait, they had brought
two great galleys, with their prows to the shore, and eleven
pieces of ordnance, thus flanking the approach. On board
these the English estimated that there were from 300 to 400
harquebussiers, and, to defend the barricade, 300 shot and
pikes." *

The Spaniards, being thus ready to receive their sturdy
visitors, spared not their shot ; but they expended most of it
in vain ; for they were too eager to wait till they could see
the enemy ; and while they fired in the darkness, Carleill
advanced along the lowest ground, close to the water's edge,
where the tide, too, had somewhat fallen. He had ordered
his men not to fire till they should come to the wall-side ; so,
" with pikes roundly together," they approached, and finding
the barricade of barrels, strongly as it was manned, the best
place where to make their assault, they assailed it. " Down
went the butts of earth, and pell-mell came our swords and
pikes together, after our shot had given their first volley, even
at the enemy's nose." The English pikes were somewhat
longer than theirs, and the English were also better armed, for
very few of the Spaniards wore any defensive armour : this
want, and the disadvantage of their pikes, was felt when it
came thus to the push. Their standard-bearer, fighting man-
fully to the last, fell by Carleill's hands : they gave way ; and
the assailants, giving them no time to breathe, followed them
into the town. At every street's end they had raised bar-
ricadoes of earth-work, with trenches in front, which were
better made than defended ; the little resistance which they
attempted there being soon overcome, with trifling loss.
They had stationed many Indian archers " in corners of ad-
vantage, with their arrows most villainously empoisoned ; so
that if they did but break the skin, the party so touched,
unless it were by great marvel, died ". Some were likewise
" mischieved to death by small sticks, sharply pointed, of a
foot and a half long, fixed in the ground, with the points
poisoned, right in the way from the place where they landed
toward the town ; but by keeping the shore, the invaders
escaped the greater part of these ". The chief commander
of the Spaniards was wounded and taken by Captain Goring ;
and when the English had established themselves in the
market-place no farther opposition was attempted, the
Spaniards retiring into the interior, whither they had previ-
ously removed their families and their treasure. They had
been warned of their danger twenty days before, and had
employed the time diligently in preparing both for defence
and for the consequences of defeat.

Having taken the city, the adventurers pursued the same
course as at St. Domingo

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The next place for attack in Drake's programme
the island of Margarita could not be reached because
of tempestuous weather and contrary winds. Rio de
la Hacha was also passed by, the admiral apparently
having determined to make at once for Cartagena.
Frobisher was sent ahead to work close in along the
coast, on the lookout for some pilots whom he might
pick up with Spanish prizes; but he found no prizes
and consequently no pilots, and Drake was obliged
to rely upon his own knowledge of the passage. This
he did successfully, and without mishap the fleet ar
rived off Cartagena on the Qth of February.
Cartagena, unlike Santo Domingo, was prepared for
his coming. The city had had three weeks' notice of
his presence on the coast, and had learned, too, all
about his performance at Santo Domingo. Accord
ingly it had been put in a state of defence and so thor
oughly that Drake might well have decided that it was
impregnable and declined the fight. But it was not
in his nature so to act. The greater the obstacles in
his path the stronger his determination to pursue that
path. He had come to subdue this city, and this he
would do or attempt at any or all hazards, regardless
of its preparedness against him.

Cartagena by her position, as Drake had found
when here before, was naturally well protected. Now
the narrow channel from the outer harbour to the inner
harbour, close to the main-land, was barred by a chain.
On the main-land had been set up a fort commanding
both the narrow stone causeway that gave access to
the city therefrom and the entrance from the outer
harbour by the Boca Grande, or Great Mouth. On the
piece of land lying between the Great Mouth and the
city walls an intrenchment had been thrown up, the
banks protected by poisoned stakes. In the inner har
bour to defend these earthworks were stationed two
armed galleys. The city's garrison comprised, as enu
merated by Corbett, a force of fifty lancers, four hun
dred and fifty harquebusiers, one hundred pikemen,
twenty negro musketeers, and four hundred Indian
bowmen; besides these there were one hundred and
fifty harquebusiers serving in the two galleys attached
to the port as guard ships under Don Pedro Vique
Manrique, general of the coast of the Spanish Main.

Drake upon the afternoon of his arrival daringly
sailed his fleet past the city and the Great Mouth so
close as to draw the fire of the batteries. Having fully
taken in the position of affairs he had determined his
line of attack, and his manoeuvres soon astonished the
Spanish on-lookers. They saw him with consummate
skill and nerve piloting the whole fleet through the
perilous southern entrance, the Little Mouth, at the
far end of the outer harbour, then working back till
he had come off the inner end of the Great Mouth,
and finally coming to anchor about a mile from the
main entrance of the inner harbour. In taking this
position it looked as though his purpose was to attempt
to force the inner harbour defences by a direct attack.
But this was a move calculated to deceive the city's
defenders, as it did. And so was the next move the
detachment of Frobisher apparently to prepare for a
demonstration against the harbour fort with a flotilla.

This was the situation at nightfall. After dark the
real operations were begun. Then Carleill with his
full complement of troops was secretly landed in the
Great Mouth, under cover of woods that spread over
the land between the fleet and the city. His orders
were to push diagonally through the woods to the
shore, and there, instead of advancing on the front
of the intrenchment, to wade along the "sea-wash"
the wash of the surf till close enough for a rush on
the city. In tramping through the woods in the dark
much time was lost by reason of the "slender knowl
edge " of the guide, possibly one of Drake's men with
him in his former cruising about the place. When the
stealthily moving force were within two miles of the
city they suddenly encountered a cavalry picket of
some two hundred horsemen. Shots were exchanged,
and after the first volley of the invaders the horsemen
galloped off townward : not because they were routed,
but because the "place being woody and bushy even
to the water's side" it was impossible for their horses
to make into it. Immediately upon the withdrawal of
the picket the invaders heard the sound of the guns
of Frobisher's flotilla engaging the fort. Presumably
Frobisher had taken the sound of their exchange of
shots with the picket as his signal to develop his feint.
Soon now the shore was reached and the wading in
the sea-wash begun. Undiscovered they reached the
point desired, "within striking distance," and Carleill
halted all in the water to form for the attack.

Captain Sampson with the pikemen and Captain
Goring with the musketeers were given the front of
the line; Sergeant-Major Powell with the "main-
battle" of four companies was placed next the van
guard; Captain Morgan with a single company was
assigned the rear. Thus the advance was cautiously
made. It was found that the intrenchment did not
extend quite down to the sea, space being left at its
end by which the picket had regained the city; but
this space was closed up with large wine butts or pipes,
filled with earth, and piled one on top of another and
extending into the water. Here, out of reach of the
guns of the intrenchment and of the galleys, Carleill
determined to make the rush. When all was in readi
ness he sounded his signal to assault. Goring' s mus
keteers ran forward and delivered a volley into the
front of the surprised garrison; Sampson's pikemen
dashing through their ranks came to "push of pike";
the main body pressed close after the pikemen with
huzzas. "Down went the buts of earth," says the
soldier narrator Biggs, "and pellmell came our swordes
and pikes together, after our shot had first given their
volley, even at the enemy's nose. Our pikes were
somewhat larger than theirs, and our bodies better
armed [with armour], for very few of them were armed:
with which advantage our swordes and pikes grew too
hard for them, and they driven to give place." Thus
the invaders got inside. In their "furious entry the
Lieutenant generall slew with his owne hands the
chiefe Ensigne bearer of the Spaniards who fought very
manfully to his lives end." Here the gallant Sampson
was wounded by a sword's blow. Goring, also hurt by
a sword, disabled his assailant and took him prisoner.
As at Santo Domingo, upon carrying the gates the in
vaders gave their opponents no leisure for breath, but
drove them till the plaza was won. Yet the Spaniards
made a courageous resistance, with repeated stands and
hand-to-hand struggles, before the place was attained.
Once seized, however, and fully occupied, the defeated
troops broke, and evacuated the city; and hastening
across the causeway, made for the hills of the country
beyond where, at Drake's appearance before the city,
the women and children had been sent for safety.
Still the fort held out. But the next morning, when
Drake moved the fleet farther inside and their guns
were run out for a bombardment, the fort, too, was
evacuated, and without a shot.

So the capital of the Spanish Main, despite its elab
orate provisions for defence and the unquestioned
bravery of its defenders, fell into Drake's hands at
practically a single stroke. It was counted, as it was,
a famous victory; and the cleverness of the plan of
attack, outwitting the experienced Spanish officers com
manding the defence, brought Drake recognition as a
military genius.

The city, too, was deemed the richest of his prizes.
For, although smaller than Santo Domingo and less
renowned, it was from its strategical position of greater
importance and had greater wealth. Santo Domingo
had lost its commercial pre-eminence while Cartagena
had become the trade centre; the former city was now
inhabited mainly by officials, "lawyers, and brave gen
tlemen," while the latter had "farre more richer mer
chants." Accordingly Drake must have from this city
the heavier ransom. His demand was a hundred thou
sand pounds. The authorities naturally demurred.
Drake was firm, but was ready to give them reason
able time to arrange the matter. Meanwhile unwonted
courtesies passed between the invaders and the invaded.
There were feastings; visits to the admiral by the
governor of the city, the bishop, and "divers other
gentlemen of the better sort"; and pleasant entertain
ments ashore. When, however, the reasonable time
had expired and settlement was apparently no nearer
Drake gave the city to the sack, and repeated his tactics
at Santo Domingo the burning of the city by piecemeal.
"It was touched in the out parts/' Biggs tells us, "and
consumed much with fire." The shipping found in
the harbour, too, was all destroyed.

Still the authorities failed to come to terms. When
a month had gone by Drake called a council of war to
consider the situation. Besides the matter of the ran
som the condition of the fleet's force was becoming a
cause of anxiety. In addition to the losses sustained
in the fierce assault, and the temporary incapacity of
a number of the men from wounds, not a few were
down with sickness. Several of Drake's best officers,
too, were gone. Among these was Tom Moone. The
brave fellow had at last succumbed, caught in an am
bush and mortally wounded by Spanish musketeers.
It happened in this wise. One day the English sen
tinel stationed in the church steeple sighted two frig
ates at sea making for the harbour, and Moone and
others put out in a pinnace to head off and capture
them. They ran themselves ashore. The pinnace
following was drawn into the ambush and Moone met
his fate.
These propositions were put before the council : the
first, to hold the city against the present enemy and
re-enforcements that might arrive in ships from Spain,
and make it a base of further operations; second, to
continue further trial of their fortunes according to the
original plan; third, to accept a smaller ransom for
Cartagena, and "so presently homeward."

These propositions were considered by the military
officers in one group and by the sea captains in another.
The military officers, notwithstanding their weakened
force, were ready to hold the city against all comers if
the sea captains could with the strength that remained
to man the ships undertake their safety and service
should a Spanish fleet come upon them. The sea
captains' reply is not recorded, but probably their
attitude was as recklessly brave as that of the military
men. However, it was finally determined to accept a
smaller ransom, which they concluded could be done
with honour, inasmuch as they had "taken full pleasure
both in the uttermost sacking and spoyling of all" the
u householde goods and merchandize" of the Carta-
genians, and in burning or ruining a good part of
their town.

The ransom as now agreed upon was one hundred
and ten thousand ducats, equal to about a quarter of
a million of English money. Upon its payment the
soldiers were withdrawn from the city and a part
quartered upon the monastery standing upon the har
bour water-side. For this, being outside the city,
Drake demanded an additional ransom of a thousand
crowns. The sum was paid. A ransom of another
thousand crowns was requested for the harbour fort.
This was refused. Thereupon the fort was under
mined and "blowen up in pieces." Meanwhile the
fleet had drawn toward the harbour mouth where men
were employed in taking on fresh water; and on the
last day of March they put to sea, now homeward
bound.

That they were obliged to abandon the rest of the
original programme, particularly the enterprise against
Nombre-de-Dios and thence to Panama, where they
"should have strooken the stroke for the treasure and
full recompence" for their "tedious travails/' was
keenly regretted by the admiral's council; yet much
had been accomplished to fill them with satisfaction
and pride. Besides having administered another sting
ing blow to Spain at the fountain-head of her supplies,
and having taken another fat purse of ransom money,
the ships of the fleet and the prizes were carrying off
sixty more captured guns, all the bells and metal of
Cartagena, quantities of rich merchandise taken from
Spanish warehouses, choice furnishings from the houses
of wealthy merchants, and other spoil; while to the
force were added, as at Santo Domingo, a motley crew
of liberated galley-slaves "Turks, Greeks, Negroes,
Frenchmen," and even Spaniards. And their advent
ures were not yet ended, for on the way home it was
understood that they might manoeuvre off Havana
and would come along the Florida coast.


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А есть ли у вас состав эскадры Дрейка с указанием количества орудий? Я нашел пока только "Элизабэт Бонавентуре" и "Тайгер".

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Вооружение этих 2-х судов есть в списке королевского флота (34 корабля), вооруженного протв Армады в 1588 г.:
Elizabeth Bonaventure - перестр. 1581 г., 600 т, 150 моряков, 24 канонира, 76 солдат = 230, 2-60, 2-32, 12-18, 14-9, 4-5.5, 2-4, 12 - мелких=47.
Tiger - перестр. 1570, 200 т, 80 моряков, 12 канониров, 8 солдат = 100, 4-18, 8-9, 8-5.5, 10 мелких=30.

Остальные буду искать.

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Как ни странно, но в 7-томной Clowes, Laird, The Royal Navy. A History…, I об экспедиции Дрейка в 1585-87 гг. ничего не сказано, упоминается только, что он прибыл в июне 1586 г. в Вирджинию и предложил колонистам продовольствие, но те предпочли вернуться домой. Приведены только названия его судов в атаке на Кадис в 1587 г.
В трех работах, из которых я поместил отрывки по Картахене 1586-7, говорится, что это была крупная частная экспедиция, главным пайщиком была сама королева, у Дрейка был 21 корабль, 8 пиннасов и 2300 чел. Почти все суда были частные, в т.ч. и лондонский Tiger, по которому я дал данные, как по королевскому, но это был, видимо, другой корабль.
Состав сил:
Elizabeth Bonaventure – Адмирал Дрейк
Primrose (самый большой приватир) – Вице-адмирал Фробишер
Galleon Leicester – Контр-адмирал Knollys (кузен королевы)
Tiger
Thomas Drake (по имени капитана)
Francis
Bark Bonner
Bark Benjamin
Hope
Duck galiot
Это – более крупные суда. Позже упоминался также Dragon. Все (кроме флагмана Дрейка) – частные. По списку приватиров, зафрахтованных против Армады в 1588 г. можно проверить эти частные суда, но там данные только по тоннажу.




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Весь № 163 журнала "Новый солдат" (2002) занимает статья "Морские псы Елизаветы". Здесь утверждается (без ссылки на источники), что в сентябре 1585 г. Дрейк имел 25 судов, в т.ч. 4 королевских, включая Golden Lion с помощником Дрейка Вильямом Ьаро. Но William Borough был вице-адмиралом у Дрейка на Golden Lion в 1587 г., в походе против Испании, и 4 королевских корабля у Дрейка были в 1587 г.

По данным E.M. Bacon, The boy's Drake (1910), в сентябре 1585 г. у Дрейка:
The squadron when at length assembled constituted
the strongest if not the largest private fleet organised
in England up to that time. It comprised thirty sail,
merchant-men and ships from the royal navy, and a
force, including soldiers and sailors, of twenty-three
hundred men. The merchant-men, with the "Prim
rose" at their head, contributed by London men,
included some of the finest vessels in the mercantile
marine, while the war-ships were two of the best in
the navy. The enterprise was backed by a joint stock
company, and quite likely several of Drake's former
partners were of this corporation. The officers sur
rounding him constituted a company of men remark
able for distinguished sea service or for influential
family connection. The vice-admiral was Sir Martin
Frobisher, the great navigator now at the height of
his fame. The rear-admiral was Francis Knollys, a
cousin to Queen Elizabeth and Leicester's brother-in-
law. The lieutenant-general commanding the land
forces was Christopher Carleill, son-in-law of Walsing-
ham, an experienced soldier who had come from Ire
land where he had been operating a squadron against
pirates and Irish "rebels." Of Drake's subordinate
officers were Captain Walter Biggs and Lieutenant
Cates who kept the record of the expedition, and whose
narrative Hakluyt gives in his Principal! Navigations.
From this narrative and from the log of the "Prim
rose," and various letters, the story of the voyage is
gleaned.

Drake as admiral hoisted his flag on the largest of
the war-ships, the "Elizabeth Bonaventure," six hun
dred tons. His flag-captain was Thomas Fenner,
afterward vice-admiral in the navy. Frobisher placed
his flag as vice-admiral on the "Primrose." Knollys
as rear-admiral occupied the "Galleon Leicester." Gen
eral Carleill commanded another of the London ves
sels, the "Tiger." Drake's youngest brother, Thomas
Drake, was given command of one of two ships which
Drake himself contributed, the "Thomas Drake";
of the other, the "Francis," our gallant old friend
Tom Moone was put in charge. Other "Golden
Hind" men in commands were Captain George For-
tesque, in the "Bark Bonner," Captain John Martyn
in the "Bark Benjamin," Captain Edward Careless in
the "Hope," and Captain Richard Hawkins, Sir John's
son, in the galiot "Duck." Just before the sailing
Sir Philip Sidney, slipping away from court, appeared
at Plymouth and announced himself to Drake as a
volunteer for the expedition, but the queen called him
back to London.

The vacillating queen, shifting her policy with em
barrassing suddenness, delayed the fleet's departure.
All was in readiness in August, and when at last word
was given on the I4th of September Drake hurried
the squadron away lest the queen should again change
her mind.


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Я просмотрел в Интернете ряд работ о Дрейке, в т.ч. Campbell, Lives of the British Admirals (1785), о составе его сил в 1585-86 гг. ничего нет, есть только в J. Barrow, Life, Voyages and Exploits of Sir Francis Drake (1861); здесть сказано, что собственно военными были только 3 флагмана - Eliяabeth Bonaventure, Primrose, Gallion Leicester, Tyger (на котором находился ген.-лейт. Карлейл), остальные использовались в качестве транспортов.

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В списке частных англ. судов, мобилизованных в 1588 г. против Армады, имеются следующие сведения по частным судам Дрейка в 1585-86 гг.:
Galleon Leicester 34 пушки 160 чел.
Primrose 20, 90
Tiger 20.90


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В списке 1588 г. есть еще данные на другие суда Дрейка в 1588 г.:
Thomas Drake - 18, 80
Bark Bonner 14, 70
Hope 2, 40

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Я тут нашел испанские данные о взятии Сан-Доминго. Весело. Судя по всему Дрейк в официальной истории - это еще больший источник мифов, чем Нельсон.

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Вообще тщательное изучение документов приводит к мысли, что не был Дрейк великим полководцем. В испанских индиях с безопасностью был просто бардак. Как говорил один из монахов, города в Индии были защищены не крепкими стенами и гарнизонами, а дальностью их от Европы и тяжестью переходов в эти воды.

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Силы испанцев в Картахене в 1586 г., по испанским данным:
30 аркебузиров, 50 индейских лучников, имелось 8 пушек, 2 небольшие кулеврины, 1 фальконет и 7 бочонков пороха, которые обслуживали 25 солдат и 12 моряков, не считая негов-рабов. У Дрейка было около 1000 человек. Дрейк требовал 400000 дукатов, но по условиям капитуляции получил только 120000. Этот эпизод, в связи с ничтожностью испанских сил, никак нельзя считать выдающимся примером английской десантной операции, типичный разбойничий налет, серьезные историки ВМФ о нем даже не упоминают.


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В Сан-Доминго при штурме англичане потерь не имели, а испанцы потеряли одного человека, который умер.... от разрыва сердца при залпах орудий.
Вот и верь после этого историческим книжкам.
За все время пребывания англичане убили еще двоих испанцев, которые вступились за изнасилованную мулатку Есть даже их имена. Про индейцев и негров не сообщается ничего, возможно им было пофигу, кто их грабит, ингелезы или идальго, а возможно их просто за людей не считали, потому и в списки погибших не включали. Но для меня был очень интересный факт - в Сан-Доминго ан тот момент было всего лишь 20 испанских семей. То есть примерно 60 человек. Стены и башни в основном были деревянными. На весь город 4 небольших кулеврины.
Серьезного сопротивления при таком раскладе ожидать было глупо.

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Нашлась интересная информация:
"в 1553 некий французский капитан, командовавший одним кораблем и экипажем в 80 человек, объединившись с восставшими неграми, разорил столицу Испанского Мэйна (Картахена?) и четыре окрестных селения, затем Сантъяго-де-Куба и, наконец, саму Гавану (с населением в 1200 человек)."

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Столица испанского Мэйна - это не Картахена. Речь скорее о Панаме или Порто-Белло.
Вообще же время Ришелье - это самое загадочное и неисследованное время во французском флоте.

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Benbow пишет:

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время Ришелье - это самое загадочное и неисследованное время во французском флоте.



Что именно имеется в виду?

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Что именно имеется в виду?


СТроительство флота, военно-морская поддержка Португалии, война с итальянцами к примеру.

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Состав флота при Ришелье есть на sailingwarships.com, есть некоторые данные о войне на Средиземном море с испанцами в 1630-40-х гг. и во время Фронды 1650-х.

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